Comments on: Under 1% of Affiliate Marketers Care About Advertising Tax? http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/ Geno talks about affiliate marketing, leadership, etc Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:14:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: Geno http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3203 Geno Wed, 19 Aug 2009 04:11:25 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3203 "I don't think you should take the percentage out of the full 3000 attendees." -- No, I shouldn't, <b>Rehan</b>. In an <a href="http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3105" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">earlier comment</a> Shawn has also pointed to the fact that the session was open to Platinum pass holders (while the panel I'm also mentioning to Gold and Platinum). That's why I initially included a question mark at the end of the post title. And yes, I agree, there is a huge need to raise awareness (and create a sense of urgency) about the issue. Thank you for tweeting about it regardless of the fact that it doesn't immediately affect you. By the way, it was great meeting you in person at the Affiliate Summit East 2009! “I don’t think you should take the percentage out of the full 3000 attendees.” — No, I shouldn’t, Rehan. In an earlier comment Shawn has also pointed to the fact that the session was open to Platinum pass holders (while the panel I’m also mentioning to Gold and Platinum). That’s why I initially included a question mark at the end of the post title.

And yes, I agree, there is a huge need to raise awareness (and create a sense of urgency) about the issue. Thank you for tweeting about it regardless of the fact that it doesn’t immediately affect you.

By the way, it was great meeting you in person at the Affiliate Summit East 2009!

]]> By: Rehan http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3200 Rehan Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:37:03 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3200 I don't think you should take the percentage out of the full 3000 attendees. Let's see... First take away the non-Platinum pass holders and those that registered but didn't come. Then take away all those attendees that don't even do anything in the retail sector (which I would guess would be the majority of ASE09 attendees). Take out all the people from merchants and networks that were too busy at their exhibit booths to come to the session. And also don't count those that had already gone to the related session on Sunday. Oh, and don't forget the international affiliates that aren't affected by it. You'll be left with far less than 3000. 29 out of far-less-than-3000 is still not very much, though. But some reasons (like audio/video availability) have been mentioned by others already. Although the issue doesn't affect me because I'm in Canada, I have tweeted about it several times to help raise awareness. The issue and the work of those working behind the scenes still needs plenty more publicity. I don’t think you should take the percentage out of the full 3000 attendees. Let’s see… First take away the non-Platinum pass holders and those that registered but didn’t come. Then take away all those attendees that don’t even do anything in the retail sector (which I would guess would be the majority of ASE09 attendees). Take out all the people from merchants and networks that were too busy at their exhibit booths to come to the session. And also don’t count those that had already gone to the related session on Sunday. Oh, and don’t forget the international affiliates that aren’t affected by it.

You’ll be left with far less than 3000. 29 out of far-less-than-3000 is still not very much, though. But some reasons (like audio/video availability) have been mentioned by others already.

Although the issue doesn’t affect me because I’m in Canada, I have tweeted about it several times to help raise awareness. The issue and the work of those working behind the scenes still needs plenty more publicity.

]]> By: Geno http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3199 Geno Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:08:37 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3199 Maybe you're right, <b>Mark</b>, I don't know the answer. One thing that I do know, however, is that lawyers like <a href="http://www.butera-andrews.com/wright_andrews.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Wright H. Andrews</a> are too busy to participate in forums and blogs. And while <a href="http://www.bennetkelley.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bennet Kelley</a> does blog and tweet every once in a while, this was a pretty unique opportunity to listen to people like this, and ask questions. And no, I'm by no means implying that "nobody cares". I know much better than that. What I meant to point out was that out of all Affiliate Summit's attendees less than 1% cared about this particular (pretty unique, IMO) presentation. That's a fact, a sad fact. Maybe you’re right, Mark, I don’t know the answer. One thing that I do know, however, is that lawyers like Wright H. Andrews are too busy to participate in forums and blogs. And while Bennet Kelley does blog and tweet every once in a while, this was a pretty unique opportunity to listen to people like this, and ask questions.

And no, I’m by no means implying that “nobody cares”. I know much better than that. What I meant to point out was that out of all Affiliate Summit’s attendees less than 1% cared about this particular (pretty unique, IMO) presentation. That’s a fact, a sad fact.

]]> By: Mark Welch http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3195 Mark Welch Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:10:26 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3195 I wonder if the low attendance for this session might have been because people were already aware of the issue and felt that there was nothing new they'd learn in the session. After all, this was old news for New York affiliates, and for most attendees who are active on ABW or one of the other forums or blogs where the issue has been discussed at length (sometimes painfully so). I will admit that last year, when this passed in New York, I shrugged my shoulders and ignored the issue, since I'm in California. When the bill was introduced in California, I responded, but despite my past successful experiences dealing with lawmakers in Sacramento (15 & 20 years ago), I didn't think my efforts were likely to make a difference. As the North Carolina experience showed, trying to get legislators to "listen honestly" is much harder than herding cats, with similar results. I don't think the issue is that nobody cares -- maybe they just didn't think they'd learn anything new at the session (or there were more plausibly-profitable opportunities for their time). I wonder if the low attendance for this session might have been because people were already aware of the issue and felt that there was nothing new they’d learn in the session. After all, this was old news for New York affiliates, and for most attendees who are active on ABW or one of the other forums or blogs where the issue has been discussed at length (sometimes painfully so).

I will admit that last year, when this passed in New York, I shrugged my shoulders and ignored the issue, since I’m in California.

When the bill was introduced in California, I responded, but despite my past successful experiences dealing with lawmakers in Sacramento (15 & 20 years ago), I didn’t think my efforts were likely to make a difference. As the North Carolina experience showed, trying to get legislators to “listen honestly” is much harder than herding cats, with similar results.

I don’t think the issue is that nobody cares — maybe they just didn’t think they’d learn anything new at the session (or there were more plausibly-profitable opportunities for their time).

]]> By: Geno http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3116 Geno Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:59:44 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3116 Good points, <b>Karen</b>, and thank you for everything that you do for the industry through your involvement in fighting and building awareness. Good points, Karen, and thank you for everything that you do for the industry through your involvement in fighting and building awareness.

]]> By: Karen Garcia http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3112 Karen Garcia Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:51:55 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3112 While I too was disappointed at the low turn out on such an important topic, there is one bright spot to keep in mind...while we had precious few people step up as advocates for the industry in California, we did make a difference. Over then next 12 months, we will be seeing more and more of these bills surface and resurface in states where we've won a skirmish or two. Sometimes it just takes the right couple of folks to step up and say "YES!" to the mantle of leadership. Looking at the faces at both sessions, I would have to say that some very serious and passionate industry leaders were there listening intently and I hope that they now feel informed enough on the issue to be comfortable taking up the banner on this industry killing legislation in their own states. While I too was disappointed at the low turn out on such an important topic, there is one bright spot to keep in mind…while we had precious few people step up as advocates for the industry in California, we did make a difference. Over then next 12 months, we will be seeing more and more of these bills surface and resurface in states where we’ve won a skirmish or two.

Sometimes it just takes the right couple of folks to step up and say “YES!” to the mantle of leadership. Looking at the faces at both sessions, I would have to say that some very serious and passionate industry leaders were there listening intently and I hope that they now feel informed enough on the issue to be comfortable taking up the banner on this industry killing legislation in their own states.

]]> By: Why do so Few Affiliates Care about the Advertising Tax? | Affiliate Marketing News http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3111 Why do so Few Affiliates Care about the Advertising Tax? | Affiliate Marketing News Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:32:45 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3111 [...] friend Geno Prussakov posted on his blog Monday about the paltry number of attendees at the Affiliate Summit session on the Advertising Tax. One [...] [...] friend Geno Prussakov posted on his blog Monday about the paltry number of attendees at the Affiliate Summit session on the Advertising Tax. One [...]

]]> By: Geno http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3110 Geno Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:56:41 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3110 No prob. I understand. Looking forward to the audio link. No prob. I understand.

Looking forward to the audio link.

]]> By: Shawn Collins http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3108 Shawn Collins Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:00:27 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3108 Hi Geno - Sorry, but we don't share those breakouts. Hi Geno -

Sorry, but we don’t share those breakouts.

]]> By: Geno http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/2009/08/10/under-1-percent-affiliate-marketers-care-about-advertising-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3106 Geno Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:41:24 +0000 http://www.amnavigator.com/blog/?p=2670#comment-3106 Good to have you chime in, <b>Shawn</b>, and thanks for another great conference. I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Do we know how many Gold and Platinum pass holders (the session Logan referred to was open to both) attended the Summit? It is great to know that the audio of this presentation will be made public for everyone to access. I would hightly appreciate a link to it when it's up. I'll post it here. Good to have you chime in, Shawn, and thanks for another great conference. I thoroughly enjoyed this one.

Do we know how many Gold and Platinum pass holders (the session Logan referred to was open to both) attended the Summit?

It is great to know that the audio of this presentation will be made public for everyone to access. I would hightly appreciate a link to it when it’s up. I’ll post it here.

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